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Hey, I'm [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWj4LkehBgfxyjMQnypKGWw BalkanMapper]
Hey, I'm [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWj4LkehBgfxyjMQnypKGWw BalkanMapper]
[[File:BalkanMapper Profile Picture.jpg|thumb|312x312px|Profile Picture for the BalkanMapper channel]]
[[File:BalkanMapper Profile Picture.jpg|thumb|312x312px|Profile Picture for the BalkanMapper channel]]
I first became aware of Yugoslav war music around 2015 when stumbling across the Kocayine video for Jadna Bosno suverena, from there on finding channels like Sak0 and artists like Roki Vulović or Baja Mali Knindža. It was all very surface level and just something interesting kept at the back of my mind.
I first became aware of Yugoslav war music around 2015 when i stumbled across the Kocayine video for Jadna Bosno suverena. From there on I found channels like Sak0 and artists like [[Roki Vulović]] and [[Baja Mali Knindža]]. At that time it was all very surface level and was just something mildly interesting that I didn't think about much.


My YouTube channel was made around April 2019 when I started doing mapping videos of dubious quality. Around that time I also regained my interest in Yugoslav war music and started looking a bit deeper into the topic like what albums there are, the history of the conflict itself and artists like Pirgo.
My YouTube channel was made around April 2019 when I started doing mapping videos of dubious quality. Around that time I also regained my interest in Yugoslav war music and started looking a bit deeper into the topic. I wanted to find more albums, and learn about events from the war, and eventually I found people like [[Pirgo]].


I would go on to buy my first tape, Živeće ovaj narod, on the 11th of February 2020, followed by Srpskim radikalima, Gara iz Nemačke, and many more after that.
I would go on to buy my first tape, [[Živeće ovaj narod]], on the 11th of February 2020, followed by [[Srpskim radikalima]], [[Gara iz Nemačke]], and many more after that.


Jumping to July 2020 I started uploading one of my rarest tapes, Pesma o Zoranu, followed by Đe si legendo. Little did I know of the beast that is Renome when it comes to copyright. My channel was promptly deleted for copyright infringement. A month later I made my current channel and ever since then have been completely diving head first into this hobby. As of writing, I have more than 200 cassettes and a lot of knowledge of even the most obscure songs.
Jumping to July 2020 I started uploading one of my rarest tapes, [[Pesma o Zoranu]], followed by [[Đe si legendo]]. Unfortunately, the zealous hand of [[Renome]] did not like my efforts. My channel was promptly deleted for copyright infringement. A month later I made my current channel and ever since then have been completely diving head first into war music. As of writing, I have '''more than 200 cassettes''' and a lot of knowledge of even the most obscure songs.


==Discogs==
==Discogs Controversy==
Discogs seems like the perfect site, right? It's a giant database where you can submit albums, their covers and even have a marketplace, well until the event that lead me to make this website.
Discogs seems like the perfect site, right? It's a giant database where you can submit albums, their covers and it even has a marketplace. Unfortunately, it's trouble in paradise that led to the creation of savez.net.


Around 3 years ago i submitted the album Glas Trebave - Tri planina, tri brata to Discogs, not thinking much of it. Well turns out you're not allowed to submit stuff from the internet and especially not if the releases don't even exist. Now, I really didn't know that izvorna dump channels remove label logos. After recently finding that out and noticing that the Glas Trebave album was also affected by that I, in good faith, decided to start a vote to remove it. Well turns out the Discogs moderators really didn't like that.
Around 3 years ago I submitted the album Glas Trebave - Tri planina, tri brata to Discogs, as a regular submission, not thinking much of it. Well turns out you're not allowed to submit stuff from the internet and especially not if the releases "don't even exist". Now, I really didn't know that izvorna dump channels remove label logos from their scans, but after finding that out and noticing that the Glas Trebave album had a doctored J-card scan, I decided to vote on the removal of the listing. Well turns out the Discogs moderators really didn't like that.


''"Looks like the user's subs could use a bit of scrutiny, submitting photoshopped fantasy releases is a really bad sign."''  
''"Looks like the user's subs could use a bit of scrutiny, submitting photoshopped fantasy releases is a really bad sign."''  
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Is the comment that would precede an entire team of Discogs moderators going through all of my 220+ submissions and deleting everything that they thought looked off.
Is the comment that would precede an entire team of Discogs moderators going through all of my 220+ submissions and deleting everything that they thought looked off.


''"Are we all supposed to be familiar with how Balkan CDs look?"''
''"Are we all supposed to be familiar with how Balkan CDs look?"'' Was posted under the CD version of [[Uzalud behari mirišu]] as a reason for removal.


Was posted under the CD version of Uzalud behari mirišu as a reason for removal.
After this campaign, I and many other contributors were very disappointed at the outstanding unprofessionalism of the moderators, and contemplated moving to a different platform. This the fire was fueled when I got banned out of nowhere weeks later.


After this campaign, me and many other contributors were very disappointed at the outstanding unprofessionalism and contemplating moving to a different site, this would just be fueled when I got banned out of nowhere weeks later.
After this event I was in search of another site, a site what would offer us a better home than Discogs. We never found that site, and in the interest of being totally independent, we decided to make our own.
 
After this event I was in search of another site, a site which was there for actual archiving.


That's how Savez.net was born.
That's how Savez.net was born.

Revision as of 01:07, 11 April 2023

Hey, I'm BalkanMapper

Profile Picture for the BalkanMapper channel

I first became aware of Yugoslav war music around 2015 when i stumbled across the Kocayine video for Jadna Bosno suverena. From there on I found channels like Sak0 and artists like Roki Vulović and Baja Mali Knindža. At that time it was all very surface level and was just something mildly interesting that I didn't think about much.

My YouTube channel was made around April 2019 when I started doing mapping videos of dubious quality. Around that time I also regained my interest in Yugoslav war music and started looking a bit deeper into the topic. I wanted to find more albums, and learn about events from the war, and eventually I found people like Pirgo.

I would go on to buy my first tape, Živeće ovaj narod, on the 11th of February 2020, followed by Srpskim radikalima, Gara iz Nemačke, and many more after that.

Jumping to July 2020 I started uploading one of my rarest tapes, Pesma o Zoranu, followed by Đe si legendo. Unfortunately, the zealous hand of Renome did not like my efforts. My channel was promptly deleted for copyright infringement. A month later I made my current channel and ever since then have been completely diving head first into war music. As of writing, I have more than 200 cassettes and a lot of knowledge of even the most obscure songs.

Discogs Controversy

Discogs seems like the perfect site, right? It's a giant database where you can submit albums, their covers and it even has a marketplace. Unfortunately, it's trouble in paradise that led to the creation of savez.net.

Around 3 years ago I submitted the album Glas Trebave - Tri planina, tri brata to Discogs, as a regular submission, not thinking much of it. Well turns out you're not allowed to submit stuff from the internet and especially not if the releases "don't even exist". Now, I really didn't know that izvorna dump channels remove label logos from their scans, but after finding that out and noticing that the Glas Trebave album had a doctored J-card scan, I decided to vote on the removal of the listing. Well turns out the Discogs moderators really didn't like that.

"Looks like the user's subs could use a bit of scrutiny, submitting photoshopped fantasy releases is a really bad sign."

Is the comment that would precede an entire team of Discogs moderators going through all of my 220+ submissions and deleting everything that they thought looked off.

"Are we all supposed to be familiar with how Balkan CDs look?" Was posted under the CD version of Uzalud behari mirišu as a reason for removal.

After this campaign, I and many other contributors were very disappointed at the outstanding unprofessionalism of the moderators, and contemplated moving to a different platform. This the fire was fueled when I got banned out of nowhere weeks later.

After this event I was in search of another site, a site what would offer us a better home than Discogs. We never found that site, and in the interest of being totally independent, we decided to make our own.

That's how Savez.net was born.